Everything Ann says is right on. These issues were covered in great detail in Peter Brimelow's book Alien Nation, as well as Pat Buchanan's Death of the West. The idea that illegals are going to dictate to us the how, why's,when's etc. of their status and entry the the US is absurd.
There seems to be this idea floating around that there is a "right" to immigration in the Constitution that applies to any person in the world. I mean, try and go to Cancun without your passport for a vacation. You can't even get on a plane, let alone find a job, get medical care, have demonstrations in the streets, burn flags, go on national TV, and call the citizens of the country you broke into because it has so much more to offer than your own country, a bunch of racists; who's only purpose is to give you evrything on your own terms and apologize for it.
When are Americans going to wake up? At this rate you won't even be able to press 2(!) for English.
Wave the culture goodbye.

Illegal immigration is a serious concern for all of us Americans of Hispanic heritage as well.

The opportunist move to try to recruit illegal immigrants under the banner of the civil rights movement is dishonest because illegal immigration is inmoral. The present immigration laws may be flawed and may need revision but they are not inmoral and certainly not discriminatory in the manner that laws fought against in the civil rights struggle were.

I just want to let you know that although we are not represented in the media, the majority of Hispanics that are here legally, whether by birth or naturalization, are against illegal immigration. The matter of social justice in this case is not injustice against illegal invaders of American sovereignty but injustice against American workers, Black, Hispanic, White.

Ann

Perfect! Perhaps your best column ever.

I think the whole thing is a vast left-wing conspiracy. Look at the loonies involved in this canard. There is hardly a centrist organization involved and most run to the left of Uncle Joe Stalin.

Besides the obvious nationalist groups (but, oddly enough, not OUR nation), the communists, assorted high-school teachers (when they are not busy playing videos mocking the Right), college per’fessers (when they are not busy replanting their family tree roots on an Indian reservation), the Lame-Stream Media (who have their collective pantalones in a knot, agog over exactly which view is more damaging to the Right, our Country and our President), the laundry-list of the Anti-American Hollyweird Cabal and Jimmy Carter, you have every democrab politician speaking Spanish at these “rallies” nationwide.

For the life of me, why doesn’t someone look up the word “illegal” see if it is descriptive of the participants at all of the “Southern Hemisphere Nations Flag Waving Competitions” taking place nationwide. Perhaps the local constabulary could be alerted and the non-invited guests can be taken in to custody, like other perpetrators of illegal actions.

If you trace the root cause of almost every major problem facing our country, you will find a democrab. Like water seeks it’s own level, democrabs, under the guise of doing good, have a tendency to start the eventual avalanche of downstream problems.

I do not want to go into all the reasons pro and con the illegal immigration issue. They are myriad. The most scandalous of all is the economic one. The major contention there is that the illegals are doing jobs that we Americans wont do. (Other than that statement being tantamount to inferring some sort of putative slavery, this is pure bovine scatology.) (And, where is the “outrage” over slavery????) If the illegals were not here, Americans would be doing those jobs. How else would they get done? Hello? But even more ridiculous is that we do not have enough people to do the jobs.

I abhor emulating the left but I fear I must do so for a moment. I am talking about linking two unrelated topics. In this case, if I may be so bold, it is an accurate linkage.

There are some 11,000,000 illegals here by most estimations. In the 23 years since Roe V. Wade there have been an upwards of 40,000,000 abortions. By now, many of those babies, had their mother decided not to kill them, would have been productive members of society. They may have been skilled workers, students, drivers, waitresses, cooks, landscapers and others on their way to other professions and contributing to society and our economy as opposed to being a drain on it.

Just a thought.

Keep up the great work, Ann, we love you!

Happy Easter and Happy Passover

God Bless and God Speed

Correction, typo: It has been 33 years since Roe. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!

Should the 2K mile US-Mexico border have a fence, wall, canal, or other obstacle? A fence, chain-link, corrugated metal, or barb-wire where installed have been ineffective. A canal, the All-American Canal, west of Yuma is a glorified irrigation ditch. Water in the SW US is a precious commodity, & is barely ample for drinking, hygiene, and agriculture. The only Rivers of any size at/near the border are the Colorado, cuts the border north to south at Yuma on its way to the Gulf of Baja, and the Rio Grande on the US(TX)-Mexico border, its volume is so shallow as to allow wading across in most of its lenght. There is not enough water for a border lenght canal meant as an obstacle, certainly not navigation, if we are to have water to live. A wall which doubles as an Interstate Highway, built from San Diego-Imperial Beach CA to Brownsville-Port Isabel TX, hugging the US-Mexico border as closely as topography allows (then continuing north on the Gulf coast to Corpus Christi TX, then maybe on to Houston TX). A Limited-Access Interstate Highway, I-5?, could be a boon to the economy of the SW in general, & south TX especially where now there is no super highway, with all retaining bridges, ditches, drainage fences barriers, and lanes designed to be obstacles to illegal immigration. A high urban type buffer wall with no southern drainage appertures, drainage would be under the highway to the north and TX watershed, then a 2 lane southernmost border patrol access highway, intermittent weigh, inspection, fuel, rest stations, with separate dorm-like facilities for border perssonnel, & illegal detainees. Infra-red equipped Watch towers, runways for survellance drones, helio-pads. Any van, RV, trailer-rig, mini-bus, bus, over 6 passenger vehicle would be req'd to be weighed these places, & should have painted registration numbers painted on top. Next barriers, a deep ditch(dry moat) & barriers, 2 east bound lanes, barriers, a deep ditch, more barriers, 2 west bound lanes, barriers, and at each creek of the watershed the Highway would be desined as a dam to retain the water as a small reservoir, with sluice doors and hydroelectric generation capacity, so no illegal could use the drainage as a tunnel.

How long are illegal aliens going to poke this big dog with a stick before it bites them in the aft-end?
Not being a criminal myself, I am not sure, but I've seen movies on this sort of thing... I think you want to "lay low" when you are a criminal.

Even a sick and dying beast will defend itself.

Why couldn't we have lived in a world where news writers signed their work, the ACLU was clearly exposed as a communist inspired organization, McCarthy had been successful, traitors were pointed out publicly and Ted Kennedy actually paid for his sins? A world where the size of the pay check was related to the value of ones work rather than your 40 yard dash speed or how you looked on the movie screen. A world where people were smart enough to hear the truth no matter what was being said or how many times "they and their buddies said it." A world where politicians stay in "Lodge Halls" and "Statesmen and servants of the people" come to government for a limited time. A world where the only lobbying done is directly to the people and never to the representatives of the people. A place where all the consequences of an action are considered before it is undertaken. Ah, alas, I fear such a place would be banned by the liberals, litigated by the ACLU and subjected to scathing floor attacks by Durbin, Reed, Kennedy, et.al And surely Jessie would think it was racist.

Freedom isn't free and at the very least you won't always be popular with your enemies when you resist their killing blows.

Mason Weaver said it best when he wrote "It's okay to leave the plantation". He sincerely wants his people to move ahead with life and earn their way in life. Yet he is so persecuted by his own race because he does not subscribe to the "Entitlement" concept of citizenship in the US.

What do we have here with the hispanics? The hardworking law abidding citizens that are naturalized or born here are a TREMENDOUS asset to this country, not to memtion their GREAT TACOS! So why is it that the Ted Kennedy's of the Washington are using these people for political gain? Well that question was answered as soon as I asked it. The root of these problems is always the leadership. Our own US Rrepresentatives in the House are assassinating our own government. Truman would not have stood for such nonsense. They must lead with strength and dignity not with self centered concern for their own political aspirations.

If we are really good Americans of Hispanic descent then in June and Novemeber, we should send those responsible for these political games, packing to the private sector looking for real jobs. Vote these guys out and bring in the right leaders. Send a message to them by voting.

But wait! Isn't that the problem. I mean if we don't use it, we will lose it! The right to vote, by LEGAL citizens, has been stored in a closet. If we don't show up in the poles to vote, don't be surprised when violent rap, gay rights, exploding terrorists and illegal immigrants take over the country that we live in.

By the way have you seen how the third world mentality lives? You need look no further than Tijuana or Imperial Beach, Ca where the rivers of Mexican sewege overflow into our beaches. For this reason my hispanic parents left that country a hundred years ago to a better life here. Now we want to let them ruin this country as well?

What gets me is the seeming lack of public outcry from American citizens, or is it happening and the media is refusing to cover it?

Where are the pro-legal immigration demonstrations? Congress seems all to ready to roll over for the illegals, Americans need to speak out LOUDLY!

And what was the story with the illegals reciting the pledge of allegiance during this weeks demonstrations, did anyone else find that offensive?

THINKER: Sadly you are 100% correct.

ENEMA: Not a bad idea but extremely expensive if I read your idea correct. Has a lot of positives but may be outweighed by the cost. Candidly, I would have started and stopped at the watch towers. Nothing says "stay home" like a few 30 caliber rounds a few inches over your head.

I find this article so timely, just yesterday I wrote to some of my fellow African American friends addressing our unwise apathy on this issue.

What do the following things have in common: the civil rights movement, the women’s rights movement, the gay rights movement, and the illegal immigrants’ rights movement—aka the you have no right to maintain your own borders and enforce your own laws movement? Uh, nothing. The false comparisons between the former two and the latter two are sickening, insulting, and downright propagandistic.

The difference between women and blacks compared to gays and illegals is that the former had no choice regarding the matter upon which discriminatory laws against them were based. While the debate over the origins of homosexuality is as old as the Romans prancing around in their toga dresses, there is no debate that all consensual sexual behavior is a choice. In addition, there is no debate that creating a campaign to equate homosexual relationships with heterosexual marriage—a unity which ensures the survival of the species—is also a choice. Likewise, there is no debate that running across the border and intentionally bypassing U.S. immigration laws is a choice. In both instances, you either do it or you don’t. That simple.

Needless to say I was not outraged by the news of a Detroit meatpacker and an Idaho grocer firing immigrants, many undocumented, who skipped work to rally for the right to be in this country illegally. The responses of those fired were, “It’s not fair! We were fighting for our rights.” Seems to this lawless bunch, lots of things are not fair as they chant "si, se pudede" (yes we can)--apparently their version of "we shall overcome".

Here’s what I think is not fair. I think it is unfair that when a police officer stops an illegal immigrant for a traffic violation, INS cannot be summoned immediately. I think it is unfair that taxpayers subsidize education and health care for illegal immigrants. In the same vein, I think it is unfair that a citizen of Virginia who wants to attend UCLA is subject to out of state tuition, but a citizen of Mexico gets the instate discount, plus scholarships. I think it is unfair that you have to speak Spanish to get almost any job in Los Angeles, Dallas, Houston, Miami, etc. I think it is unfair that George Bush has failed me in rolling over on this history-changing issue; it seems laughable that his father could enforce the borders of Kuwait, yet he cannot enforce the borders of the United States. I think it is unfair that a strange man has come into my house, is watching my tv, eating my food and now he owns the place. Ok, so that has not happened yet, but if the rational segment of this country continues to remain silent while this illegal logic permeates, it is only a matter of time.

And why do black people have a severe case of the –itis on this issue? Wake up! If you think our political power is weak now, just wait until these 12 million can vote. You do know we are no longer the biggest minority in this country, which translates into our votes being taken for granted even more, right? You do know that a major failing of Affirmative Action and a reason it is so readily ripe for attack is that, while our grandparents were marching for the Civil Rights Act, white women and racial minorities other than us have been the biggest beneficiaries of the legislation, right? You do know that some illegal immigrants work for below minimum wage, which in effect, creates modern day slavery in this country, right? And finally, you do know that if we do not do anything about it, this influx of illegal immigrants who will be allowed to attain citizenship will likely create but another rung on the social ladder above us, forming a caste system, much like the one found in Brazil, for the next generation, right?

I cannot help but think that Alexis de Tocqueville, the 19th century traveling Frenchman, was profoundly prophetic when he predicted a major pitfall of our democracy could be the implementation of the soft despot. In the soft despot, the public turns inward, oblivious to its government’s policies. When the public is apathetic about crucial issues affecting the country, then the wheel that squeaks the loudest gets the grease, no matter how much that wheel needs to be changed. I submit this illegal immigrant wheel needs to be replaced.

It is imperative that our voices are heard. Those voices who believe the U.S., like every other country, has the right not to be raped and rummaged through like a street corner dime store need to loudly make the case that the U.S. is a sovereign nation and no one has the right to violate our laws in the first instance then demand anything from us. We not only have the facts, but logic and history on our side. If you want to take our country, take it by force. We do not have to give it to you. So to everyone who contends the United States must be impotent and has no right to maintain order and enforce its borders, I say Si, Se Puede.

Dear Jaksavin; EnemaSQ says, US should spare no expense, The Great Barrier Highway would look like the Great Wall of China but 4X wider when finished, & would be no more expensive than the social welfare expenditures run amock which would see no END. 50 caliber is the staple armament in the US arsenal.

BRAVO, AMEN I say to you my true blue fellow Americans... ;) I was begining to think I was the only person who felt as all of you... of course I live in Oregon, need I say more. You have to keep very tight lipped about topics like this, I wouldn't want to offend anyone... I am just suppose to except it all and shut up.. Thank you Ann for not shutting up! ;)

EnemaSQ: Again, not a bad idea and your logic is not lost on me. But, consider the following. We have been saddled with an extreme amount of social welfare expenditure even before the illegal immigration problem.

But I do agree, it will only get worse and there will be no end if we do not so something and do it soon!

The visual of a Great Wall is intriguing, as you put it such. Perhaps it might be workable in a fashion. There is one thing that perhaps you may have over looked. You know the tree huggers will be apoplectic over building a wall in the desert! I am sure that there is a “New Mexico Petrified Forest Spotted Termite” or some such thing that they are going to get their hemp-woven panties in a knot over.

With respect to your comment of the .50 being the staple round in the US arsenal, while that is true I hasten to add that the .30 is the preferred round of the sniper. (Again, trying to be fiscally conservative, no need to waste a clip when a round will do. One shot, one kill, hhhuuuaaaa.) Old habits die hard.

2TurtleDoves:
I have been to Oregon but correct me if I am wrong. I, for some reason, thought all the states participated in the freedoms granted in the Bill of Rights, et alia. Is this not the case in the Pacific Northwest?

I know to which you refer; that being the extreme liberality in your state. You are certainly not alone and dare I say not in the minority nationwide! You inadvertently expose both the problem and the solution to this and many other issues.

You say that you have to be very tight-lipped and offend anyone. The old adage goes “the only thing needed to evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.”

First of all, you have the same rights as those who think contrariwise to you. Not only do you not have to remain tight-lipped you are free to express yourself, nay, it is incumbent upon you to speak out.

Second, who cares if you offend someone with your opinions and beliefs. Turn it around for a moment. Do you think the Birkenstockistas care if they offend you? Obviously they don’t otherwise you would not need to be tight-lipped.

This issue, like the others particularly well expressed by UVAGIRL, is the fruit of the efforts of few radicals. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and, if the topic is liberal in nature, free press and air time. We like- and sane-thinking people need to say enough is enough. We can write our politicians all we want, we can write letters to the editors of papers (quixotic at best) but while it is effective it is not as effective as the press the illegals are getting. Fortunately/Unfortunately we are unable to mass huge demonstrations because the vast majority of us work. What can one do? First of all, speak your mind to your friends. Perhaps you will find that you are not alone. There has to be more like you in Oregon! Find each other and start your own campaign showing your indignation and disgust over this issue. But don’t ever lay down and accept that which you find anathema. Do not cede your rights to anyone, especially if they are wrong, just as the illegal immigration issue is!

God Bless and God Speed

Ann,
You quoted "This is the only country on Earth that thinks it's not sporting to consider our own interests in choosing immigrants. Try showing up in any other country on the planet, illiterate and penniless, and announcing: "I've seen pictures of your country and it looks great. I think I'd like to live here! Oh, and by the way, would you mind changing all your government and business phone messages, street signs and ballots into my native language? Thanks!" They would laugh you out of the country." THAT THANKS WOULDN'T BE THERE, NOT EVEN GRACIOUS!

I live in AZ. The Thank You's, Excuse me's, God Bless You's, etc. are in SHORT supply when you go to the local Wal-Mart. It's more like a battle of the fittest to get down the aisles. I personally would have NO PROBLEM with immigration, if they could not have the welfare rights of our nation and they were deported for ANY crime, they had to learn our languge (not us learn theirs), they had to leave their FLAG's behind, they'd learn not to walk across you and your kids like you don't exist at Wal-Mart-without an apology and most of all: THE WOMEN MUST STOP WEARING LOW-CUT TIGHT PANTS WITH TIGHT SHIRTS and 50lbs. of extra pork, hanging over in the shap of a giant intertube. That last one is extremely disconcerting!

I am NOT a racist! This is what we live with out here. Every state has problems, but most of ours come from MEXICO. Our drug trade=Mexico. Our violent crimes=majority Mexicans. My kid's school=22%- Don't know English and 47% of the parents don't know English. Yet our neighborhood only houses 3% Mexicans (or should I say our neighborhood only has Mexican's in 3% of it's houses, which may equal 20% Mexican, I'm unsure!)and it is OUR neighborhood school. Explain the reason for the language barrior at my kid's school. WOW! They have a Mexican principal, who happens to be a FAT, LAZY A$$, who must have gotten his position in the days of affirmative action, because he is dumb as a Sajuaro Cactus!

We are the newest school, in the BEST district in the state, with the LOWEST test scores of the district, even lower than schools with a population of over 40% non-English speakers. Those schools have Principals who are either black or white. Our principal's last school used to be the lowest in the district. Things that make you go hmmm!

Would you like to know what Sudan, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan do when people immigrate to their country: men, women and children from South and East Asia & East Africa are trafficked for the purpose of labor exploitation (slavery in it's politically correct terminology). Children from Yemen, Afghanistan, and Africa are trafficked for forced begging. Hundreds of thousands of low-skilled workers from India, Indonesia, the Philippines, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, and Kenya migrate voluntarily to Saudi Arabia, with delusions of grandure; many fall into conditions of involuntary servitude (another politically correct term for slavery). They suffer from physical and sexual abuse, non-payment or delayed payment of wages, the withholding of travel documents, restrictions on their freedom of movement and non-consensual contract alterations (like: "You work harder or I'll rape your 8 yr. old daughter and beat you mercilessly and don't think you get to eat or get paid").

The Saudi government offers NO LEGAL AID to foreign victims and certainly does not assist them in using the Saudi criminal justice system to bring their exploiters to justice. If a victim chooses to file a complaint, he or she is not allowed to work. Criminal cases are adjudicated under Sharia law, and "immigrants" are not given legal assistance before and during Sharia legal proceedings. The equivalent of "One who chooses to be their own attorney has a fool for a client!", without a choice.

However, those nations WANT immigrants. They exploit them, give them NO WELFARE, NO HEALTH CARE, sometimes no food or pay. There are many incidents of immigrant sex slaves. BTW- It isn't illegal to own people in those countries, by Muslim law and the law of Jihad. So, they do welcome immigration. It's great for their economy.

As far as I am concerned, if you have no criminal record and you are under 35, immigrating to the US, with your family and you want benefits; JOIN our military and fight for our country. Then we'd welcome you!

As far as Senior Lopez's tirade on Lou Dobbs, Dobbs WAS WRONG to call them illegal aliens. They are coyotes and their wetbacks. The hispanic population that has been in the U.S. for a few generations were exploding with anger at the fact that they learned our language, migrated legally and became gamefully employed, paying taxes. MY ABOVE TERMINOLOGIES may sound venomous, but I heard them repeatedly the day of the "Big March" *FROM LEGAL HISPANICS* on radio and even live news broadcasts on local TV! So, as for Senior Lopez and his outrage, stating that all hispanics were angry, it may be true. However, many are angry about illegal immigration being allowed.

I've heard that the nations I listed above are quite beautiful in places. Anybody wanna' immigrate there instead. I'll pay the airfare!

Jak,
In defense of 2TurtleDoves, Oregon believes in human euthanasia and they are so liberal that the Death Penalty only applies to Republicans. Okay, I'm stretching the truth. The point is: while Republicans for the most part are a civilized society, Democrats are FOR- the life of a tree, a whale, a Death Row inmate. They are FOR- Us ALL driving around in aluminum cans, BARELY running on h2o at 20 MPH, and keeping an imaginary hole in the ozone frome expanding. They are FOR: Taxation of the wealthy (therefore ceasing economic growth), eat the rich! They are FOR- FREE Healthcare for all, forget the 10 years of expensive college the doctor had to get to his current status. They are FOR: A prozac society with no religion and the freeom to F anybody (in any way you wish to take that), without consequense or procreation. They are FOR: The FIRST Amendment, as long as it doesn't make them look like who they are- the criminal element, the morally inept (they used to call them sociopaths) and the mentally inane.

THEY ARE AGAINST: ANYTHING ever said by a Republican, even if it was also said by their favorite Democrat. Hence speaking out against the criminals, The Sociopath's and The Un/Underenlightened (those who believe in evolution, because their behavior almost proves it, LORD FORGIVE ME!) is not necessarily safe in Oregon.

I found the same thing when going back to college. I did speak up. I even got some to change sides, but meanwhile I felt like the unpopular kid in Jr. High, who had to peer over her shoulder at all times. Which, in my finding, is who the people of the left (of European decent) tend to be. They are the Columbine shooter type that didn't shoot anybody and now their melange of SSRI's has them chanting "Everything is Beautiful, in it's own way!" and convinced it is true. Not to mention, they are also volatile (dangerous when shaken) and prone to outbursts of anger, that are only excusable for a leftist, because of the same meds (We'll blame it on the meds. That will make it politically correct and hold nobody accountable).

AMEN ANN!!

Here's a thought. Africa is in trouble right? (go with me on this folks) Yes! Herds of antelope are in danger (not true, but it'll sound good to the enviro-nuts). Solution, buy herds of them to the American Southwest. Crazy right, but in order to "protect" them we'd need to have a fenced in enclosure, about 4500 square miles of space ought to do it (1500 miles long by 3 miles wide). But wait, wait what about potential problems with overpopulation of the species? Hmm. Well...I suppose they could use some predators, wolves and mountain lions are OK (or so claim the environmentalists who shove 'em down our throats), but why not some African lions? The would know best how to hunt African antelope, right.

Turn the three miles north of the border it into an "enter at your own risk" wildlife preserve, play one group of lefties against another. By the way in case your thinking my idea is impossible, drive through west Texas along I-10 and near El Paso, and you might catch a glimpse of herds of Eland (or something similar, spiral shaped horns you could skewer a pig on, a gnat's hair smaller than an elk..). African antelope are already roaming our southwest, lions at least you could charge admission to see. Hey, yeah then we can fix the "deficit".

My brother-in-law just sent me an IM: "don't forget the Nile crocs for the Rio Grande"

Let's see. You cross the border without filling out the proper paperwork. You do not apply for asylum. You do not learn English. You demand that we accommodate your native language and culture. You want to receive our welfare benefits. You don't want to pay taxes. You don't serve in our armed forces to defend our country. You want to annex our land to your native country. You treat our citizens as if they were vermin. You break our laws and then you demand that not enforce them. You demand that we change our laws that you don't like. You don't have the right to vote. You create an organization with a name that means "The Race," but you call us racists.

And you demand that we not call you ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!

Dear Moonmonster,
Good ideas, BUT PLEASE don't ever threaten crocs on my territory. I moved from FL 8 1/2 years ago to get away from alligators, crocodiles, fleas, mosquitoes and Jim Crow fighting with a bunch of Black Panthers with gold teeth and more artillary than the U.S. Marines.

If you want a metal fence with 5 million volts of electricity, fine I don't live close enough to the border to have to worry about telling my kids not to touch it, or to get cancer from the electricity. However, I was in FL when gators, caimans and crocodiles were nearly hunted to extinction and after just a few years of being on the "Endangered" list (because of the leftist nut-jobs) they'd be swimming in your toilet when you'd arrive home. Okay, I like to exaggerate, but eating your kid or your pet from your yard is certainly not a far stretch. It happened all of the time in FL. Hence, the reason we don't want the crocs out here. They spread like a case of bird-flu in Indonesia and would soon be eating my dogs and getting me arrested for shooting them.

Ann,

Once again you prove that one can have both brains and beauty. You type what I think (well, the political stuff).

Look forward to the next column and seeing you on Fox News (preferably in a short skirt ;) ).

Talk to you later.

We can never deport 12 million illegal immigrants. They need to leave voluntarily. Homeland Security needs to set up offices in Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua and other points of origin. All illegal immigrants must return home and register with this office prior to employment in the U.S. They will be issued a card containing fingerprints, picture ID, and a DNA sample. The magnetic strip on the back of the card will contain additional information, such as education and work experience. The immigrants will also be given a complete physical to determine if they carry any contagious diseases or sexually transmitted diseases. Also, a psychological evaluation can be administered.

Companies that need the labor would file a request for workers. For instance, a farmer who needs three hundred laborers to pick tomatoes would call a local branch of Homeland Security and tell them their requirements, number of workers needed, experience, the duration of the job and the pay scale . All workers entering the U.S can now be tracked. On completion of the job they would return home and have their cards updated, just as you or I update our resume. If a worker is needed full time such as a nanny or a meat packer he must go back to his country every three years to update his card. After five years, any company using undocumented labor would be fined 10,000 dollars per illegal immigrant. This program will diminish their dependence on the black market . It will eliminate employer exploitation of these individuals. It will make sure taxes are paid. The workers can get better paying jobs based on experience, leadership skills and ability to speak English. Credits can be given to reliable laborers that can be used for training in their homeland, so that a higher quality of worker will be available.

Banks will be contracted to handle the transfer of money between employer and employee and the IRS. The Bank industry’s experience with credit cards would help in creating and issuing the ID's.

If problems occur between the U.S and a labor contributing country our quotas can be adjusted accordingly.

The money saved from building a seven hundred mile wall can be used instead to finance this branch of Homeland Security. Comments?

Everyone has a lot of ideas, costly ones at that but what's wrong with the current system? It's called lack of "Enforcement".

Don't tell me that we are under staffed. If we had kept up with the problem at the beginning we would have kept it under control and down to smaller numbers. We did not enforce it and now it is uncontrolable.

What makes you think if we spend a lot of money on another system that it will work? We could not control the first one because of the Political Left who made it impossible to enforce. They would do the same thing with a new system.

Whiners are whiners! They will always want more whenever you give them what they want! Vote them out! We have the voting power to do it. The illegals don't!

Let all the illegals who qualify become citizens.

Disregard the last sentence. It was another thought of a possible solution but I decided to not print it. It slipped! My BAD!

One BIG Problem with that one-Tman,
There are less liberal owned businesses than conservative owned, but there are still liberal owned businesses. They will not comply with this, because they are SELFISH. They are sneaky and underhanded. They want everything handed to them for nothing. Cheap labor, not affecting them personally, will be too good to pass up, unless you add some sort of a clause that insures that there will be criminal prosecution and the I.R.S. will take complete control of their businesses, if they do it even once.

Also, how do we get them back across the border? You are right- 12 million would be impossible to deport. They are even harder to get rid of willingly. It sux for me too, because they don't walk far after they cross. They tend to stay right here in AZ. We likely have 2.5-3 million in AZ. We must have a million in Phx alone. Thank God I'm not there!

After you figure out those two things, you may have a plan.

Happy Easter!

The masses of illegals in the streets should, hopefully, awake the citizens of America to the growing threat that exhists. The illegals have entered our country, unabated and now want to change our country to suit their whims and wants. Needless to say this is not good for us, our country or our future. Politicians need to wake up and correct this situation before it can't be corrected. That takes a backbone, something rarely found in Congress.

Dear Jaksavin; Enema here, Lets call the highway the Great Barrier Highway (I-5). Initial cost will be expensive, but I think it will be well worth it, as an economic boon to south coastal TX, and the Rio Grande watershed, as well as the agricultural-irrigated land of NM,AZ,&CA, it will be 20-60 mile south of I-8. Maintenance should be negligible, compared to the possible growth in entitlement expense. The tree huggers should be happy for this proposed highway, think of all the indiscriminate hiking taking place in the great SW US, trampling indigenuous plant life, destroying animal habitat, eroding hillsides, & causing watershed contamination. If we pave over a 1950mi long, by 1/2mi wide strip along the border, the cacti we save may be a species presently endangered by illegals thirsting for moisture in 120 degree heat. As they live off the land on their trek north: Rattlesnakes (taste like chicken), rabbits, roadrunners, coyotes, mice, & others of my favorite cartoon characters will be on the menu. Everyone loves their vocation, & I'm aware from previous post U were a Marine sniper, Semper Fi, but there is something intimidating about the rapid cannon-like report of a 50 caliber weapon on full automatic mincing up whatever the rounds may contact. WWHHUUaaaaa!!!

Oh, & I failed to mention the glockenspiel-like clatter of ejected spent ordinance casing striking the surface of the gun mount. Musical...

Back when Mexico was being over-run by south americans, mostly marxists, the U.S. closed the California border.

During all of the screaming about Gringo bigotry, no one noticed that Mexico was quietly sealing its own southern border.

Now, thanks to the Dems, the Marxists are engaging in a payback scheme with plenty of media support ... big surprise there.

After all of the xeno-phobic screaming the Dems did over the Dubai port deal, the American public is watching in wide eyed disbelief at the DNC support of this 'other' invasion ... and the crime wave that came with it.

Why no public outcry?

This is a 'smoldering' issue .. the kind that shows up at the ballot box.

Most illegals are not bad people. But they have been misled by the Marxists and the DNC,and now by a Republican schism ...

If American Politicians do not respect their own laws, why should the illegals?

Yeah ... time for a house cleaning at the ballot box.

As I said earlier The Great Barrier Highway has a dual purpose, 1) an economic engine for south coastal TX, The Rio Grande watershed (north shore), & the NM, AZ, & CA agricultural region, with the rise in fuel prices a new major super highway augmenting lesser class roads will get goods & services delivered faster, I think it will eventually pay for itself. And 2) with immigration laws properly enforced & this border obstacle properly patroled and maintained the invasion will be lessened to a trickle. Besides the US has spent & proposes to spend untold billions on many things which We The People disagree with, a few are: the bridge to nowhere AK!, the Big Hole in Boston!!, The Natl Endowment of Arts!!!, a bridge over the Bering Straits!!!!

what has happened to McCain ? In six years he's changed from a free thinker , protector of the middle class to a gofer for big business ? He's now saying Americans can't and won't pick lettuce even for fifty dollars an hour . Now he's insulting us . The candidates in the next elections better understand , illegal immigration is on the table ...yes or no.

OK, please excuse me for thinking clearly and capitalistically, but I think that while all of the above reasons and solutions are, for the most part, good and accurate, they may have missed the obvious. Indulge me, please.

Given: 10-12 million illegal immigrants in our country

Given: Most of which are from south of our border.

Given: A large percentage of those are from Mexico.

Given: Mexico is a natural barrier between the US and South and Central America.

Given: Underemployment is rife in Mexico.

Given: There are huge natural resources in Mexico.

Given: Those resources are underutilized or underharvested.

Given: The economy of Mexico is in horrendous shape.

Given: There is virtually no middle class in Mexico.

Corollary 1: The gap between the upper and lower classes is huge.

Corollary 2: There is a putative vacuum for a middle class.

Given: Free Market economies are good.

Given: The Mexican government is one of the most corrupt in the world.

Given: The Mexican politicians would sell their country in a heartbeat for a profit.

Given: There are American companies with huge cash reserves.

Therefore: Arrange for the Mexican Government to sell their country to the US. (Think: Microsoft Mexico 2.0)

Effectively controlling the economy of Mexico, profitably extracting their natural resources (Think: Oil, and plenty of it), creating well paying jobs and hence a middle-class and hence a need for goods and services and hence a need for workers and hence an increase in the need for goods and services and so on and so forth, you will create a magnet for not only the Mexican illegals to return to their homeland but create an atmosphere conducive for other illegals here to migrate to Mexico.

To employ Occam’s Razor, buy Mexico and put businessmen in charge.

God Bless and God Speed

TO: EnemaSQ: Point well taken and offers myriad possibilities for security, increased commerce, effective distribution of goods and as a bonus plan, the opportunity for the tree-huggers to face a conundrum. (The road may affect the environment but there is much damage now caused by the illegals. Which one do they prefer?) Second point and more of a correction, was not a Marine sniper. There are other branches that employ those of us with a keen eye. I do agree with your assertion that there is something intimidating about a 50 on rock-and-roll and the ensuing damage that masterpiece of ordnance is capable of creating, it does have the limitation of being somewhat, how does one say, obvious. A group facing such weaponry would immediately know whence the hot lead flew affording any survivors the opportunity to regroup and retreat and avoid that particular bit of real estate. I am a totally different person now and in contradistinction to the past where the preferred method may have been wholesale decimation, I believe we live in a kinder, gentler time. A sniper has a few advantages in this case. Stealth, surprise, mobility and uncertainty of his whereabouts give him a huge tactical advantage. While laying waste to a cadre of would-be illegals sends a huge message, consider this. The same cadre whilst moving northward suddenly find one of their own viably deprived with a large ventilation hole in his head. Perhaps a moment or two later a second of the group joins the first in the afterlife. This would provide sufficient impetus for the remainders to reverse course. Vetting others about what happened might provide just enough of a deterrent for others to rethink their vacation plans.

The tintinnabulation of the spent rounds is indeed musical, I agree, but there are differing musical tastes for all. Music is not only the notes played but also the spaces between them. The click of the solitary round can also be mellifluous to some. A bit more serene and, without being too philosophical, offers a moment of reflection of the deed done. Ahhh, that smell!

Dear Jaksavin; Not a Marine, I had you confused with someone else. I see your point, I to like calm serenity on occasion. Buy Mexico, intriguing idea, probably cheaper than an I-5, but will it or they stay bought? Let's build a highway and make an offer, maybe one they dare not refuse. One stipulation I would insist upon, Every American citizen must be issued a share of stock in MexicOil, & any other corporation which is formed out of Mexico, Inc., just as every American should have a share of stock in the Federal Reserve Bank, and any other quasi-government corporation competing with the private sector.

Let's all hope the illegal alien problem does not come to 'shots being fired' status, though I've heard reports that the Mexican Military has taken potshots in the general direction of American Border Patrol & citizens. Can anyone substantiate this? Last night On Michael Savage (X-Cong. Bob Dornan hosted) a caller suggested We The People bypass The POTUS, & Congress, & petition the Pentagon directly by e-mail,phone,fax, & letter to intervene on the US-Mexican border. YIKES! What Logic-Let's destroy the US Federal government in order to save the US Federal government. While I agree the Governors should call out the Natl. Guard in fact (not for political show) and deploy them on the border under Constitutional authority, ArtI,Sec10, "No State shall, without the consent of Congress,..., or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay". I don't think we should litely advocate an end run around the checks & balances of the Constitution. Maybe, we should hold that in mind until after the next election.

To ALL:
Are any one of you aware that the National Guard was recently offered to AZ to protect it's fragile borders? AZ has a Governor, a wanna' be Janet Reno (YES- there is somebody who wants to be her!). Her name is Janet Nepolitano. She screeches and screams about the lack of help we get protecting the AZ borders and VETOS everything that may help. TYPICAL DEMORAT! She vetoed the deployment of the Nat'l Guard to AZ. She makes me sick! Yet she keeps getting elected.

Also, is anybody aware of the AZ mafia influence-yes mafia. It is the Mexican Mafia. They eventually plan to gain control of AZ, CA, NM and TX. They say it is truly theirs and we (USA) stole it from them. Now, allowing illegal immigration gives them FREE passage to the US. They have many small time thug-gangs that back them up on the thought that they own these parts of the USA.

Is anybody aware that America "virtually" owns Peurto Rico and they are now allowed easy citizenship? This happened without the nation having much knowledge of it, as a result of illegal immigration to our country.

As far as buying Mexico, it is possible, but unless we firmly hold them to America's standards we will have to worry about crime from their mafia and many gangs. If they become a part of us they will come in and take advantage. That is one thing that sounds good on paper, but in reality (the reality of those who live around it) we'd just rather them go back and do things legally.

Somebody said that most illegals are probably good people, but that is not what I've found. I like most of the "legal" Mexicans that I know. I've run into a lot of gang bangers who don't want to do hard labor for a living, so they rip people off. Every person I know out here has been ripped off by illegal aliens, even legal Mexicans, in one way or another. When people cannot work legally, they often will do anything they can do to get money easily. We should not allow people in our country who cannot be gamefully employed in a job they are willing to do. As far as these lowly jobs, below minimum wage, NOBODY should be paid below Min. wage in the USA! It creates neediness, welfare recipients and people receiving gov't healthcare, not paying taxes.

Another thing: Does everybody believe everything they here from the government about things they should allow these people? They are nearing the `06 elections and fearing that a Dem will take their place because of the legal minorities voting them out, if they get too rough. They may be a bit dishonest on these matters because the party they are up against would sell their mother's soul fot a seat. They are trying to fight with all they can for now. If it wasn't for the Dem party, they would be able to act. Their hands are tied, because if they aren't in office they know that people who could care less will be.

My police officer friend told me that when you are in a car accident with an illegal: They are NOT held, unless intoxicated. They are not required to have insurance, since they aren't citizens. They can't be summoned to court. You are basically SOL and you BETTER have UN/Underinsured Motorist coverage. Why do we let unlicensed drivers cross the border without proof of Insurance? We let them walk all over us, without punishment. Isn't that saying they have amnesty now?

As far a the First Amendment goes, every one of us has a right to talk down our own party, if we choose to. However, anybody who respected and believed in Ronald Reagan should know about the 11th Commandment, as he put it. Do not talk down about a fellow Republican. He asked this of Republican officials and their people. The reason being anytime a Rep talks down about a Rep it will be used against our party by the other side. NEARLY all Republicans in office are better than any Demoncrat. So think before giving the Demons power! A so/so Republican is better than a good Demoncrat. As far as the RINO analogy, at this time there isn't really one out there. The Republican Party wasn't very fond of Reagan for a while, because he was charismatic and said things to get elected. However, it was all for the GREATER good!

EnemaSQ:

I do not think it is an issue of Mexico will stay bought; at that point it is a business proposition and not a political one, per se. Hearken back to the militias mining and manufacturing companies had in the late 1800’s to control their workers. There is no reason why that can not happen now. Bear in mind, I am not advocating any sort of insurrection or coup d’etat, just a simple business transaction. Once the deal is done, the businesses prosper, the people go to work, earn money and rebuild the economy it is of little concern who is in power there. It would be a puppet government until good, honest, law-abiding citizens can be elected to government and then they can rule their own country. I know it sounds radical and to be candid I have not researched this as a possibility but the more I think of this idea, the more I think of this idea.

TIP:
Good to see your posts after an absence.
With respect to your comment about buying Mexico, I do not think we can, should or ought to hold them to any other standards than their own, but it would be incumbent on whoever runs the organization that controls Mexico raises the existing standards to the point that there is no reason to leave their country. If you go back to the “separate but equal” laws with respect to segregation and schooling that we had in our country in the middle of the last century, better schools and facilities were built in the, how can I say correctly, non-white areas. The logic being that with the better facilities in their own neighborhoods, the minorities would tend to stay there rather than be bussed to white schools. Please do not misunderestimate what I am saying, I am not a proponent of segregation in any sense of the word but if you provide a people (say, the Mexican’s) with a solid infrastructure, jobs, food, services, an economy, safety and all the other delights that they think that they will find here in the Promised Land, they will have no reason to come here. In fact, if implemented correctly, there quite possibly might be an exodus to Mexico for Americans looking for jobs!
One last thing. I hate to bring up your senior senator but the McCain-Kennedy immigration bill is farcical. First of all, think about the co-sponsor. Do you think for a moment that Kennedy will for a minute allow anything that would damage in anyway his lib creds? Regardless of the way the bill is written now, by the time it or any semblance of it gets to a vote, it will look totally different than it now does and I can assure you it will be MUCH more liberal and less punitive as it is currently written. And I think the way it is now is too much!
I am not sure what is funnier at this point, the screeching, strident voice of my junior senator demanding basically everything up to a Platinum American MexPress Card for the illegals while there is ample documentation and both film and audio of Hillaroo decrying illegal immigration or the fact that Kennedy now speaks Spanish. (That WAS Spanish, wasn’t it?)
You are known by the company you keep and politics make strange bedfellows. But if I see McCain’s name next to Kennedy’s and there is not a “v” between them, I become more and more suspect of your senator.

God Bless and God Speed

Hey Jak,
I honestly think a lot of what is happening on our side is a facade to pull libs over for the vote in `08, including Bush having the Anti-Christ-Clinton involved in issues. I believe that Bush is creating a sort of leftist illusion for the sake of the vote. I believe it is just our Senator's following Bush's lead. I don't believe that anything will ever come of this. I also think the left is trying to take advantage of the right by working side by side with them, to gain the votes of the disgruntled Right. I really don't see this strategy taking them far. However, they both believe they have to do "something" fast.

Hi Icey! Jak, do you think the cunning El Fox, Vicente His Excellente, would accept Baltic & Mediterranean if we included the Water Works. I believe Mexico still needs water purification infrastructure, I mean Montezumas Revenge is still a torist hazard is it not? Did I mention that the Great Barrier Highway watchtowers would be mobile. Carried on and attached by a hinge/axle mechanism at the back end of a flat-bed trailer, hydraulically lifted into place the power supply being the cab engine. This would also dictate the height of the southern barrier wall of the Highway. The upper/back legs would be slightly longer than those attached at the hinge/axle. The observation deck would be enclosed and accessible by a ladder on the top/back or side of the design. So several of these Tractor/trailer rigs could be moved to places of high activity infiltration.

What's up with this .50 versus .30 ?

Who's doped to the scope?

We do not need guns to close the border. There are better and more humane ways.

Guns are for dealing with the crime wave that's already inside our borders.

Dear Gatling, er, Athling; You see its really all about Jaksavin's obvious caliber envy. Alas, he tries to cover it up with brave assertions that a sleath approach to border security is the best possible deterrent, where I believe a brazen in-your-face, My weapon is bigger than your weapon is best... What you can't say that here on this blog... Never mind...

Athling: Agreed, there are more humane ways to seal borders. Up until now those we have employed have been largely ineffective. Now that the Federales are taxing illegals to our borders, crossing over into our country, putatively armed, there is absolutely no reason not to expedite their delivery into the Bosom of Abraham. Crossing our borders, with arms and moreso as an agent of another foreign country is quite simply an act of war. Period. When the agents of a foreign country are now inciting war, breaking laws, there is no time to find out who the bad guys are in contradistinction to the worse guys. While I was not a Marine they have an old adage, “kill them all and let God sort them out.” I know that is an extreme view but if we keep allowing the invasion of illegals to occur, you may very well see armed border conflicts.

But, your provocative use of the term “crime wave” is an accurate description of what is now occurring. “Crime” is something against the law, “wave” is a lot of it. I think it describes exactly what is happening. I do not propose a bounty on the heads of those in our country or an open-season on illegals but the problem is far greater than just the economic one that is the more pervasive argument.

Terrorists, REAL terrorists of the 9-11 calibre, can easily slip in to our country from Mexico. I have asserted previously that we need not seal only our southern frontier but the other three as well. A terrorist will be patient, take his time and find the chink in our armor. But rather that throw up our hands and say, well we can’t stop them, we can certainly slow them down. By effectively prosecuting them at the points of entry is far better then attempting to collect them ex post facto.

As far as .30 v .50, well, they are not THE solutions but certainly deterrents. I certainly do not want to sound like a beast and I do believe every life is sacred (tricky thing in this day and age) but is it not better

EnemaSQ:

Thank you for coming to my defence, I think. I do get your not so veiled point. I hasten to add the following two pieces of information.

First: it is not the gun, but the gunner.

Second: you only have so much ammunition, once it is spent you are no longer efficacious. It may take a while to reload in many circumstances. ‘Tis better and wiser to use your ammunition conservatively, being selective in your targets than to simply shoot indiscriminately.

But, a very funny allusion, my brother.

Metaphors aside, your novel mobile gantry approach can only be buttressed by employing of those whose stealth and cunning can plink off those who may have eluded the .50 calibre carrousel.

Again, I am not espousing the terminal prosecuting of even one person, illegal or not. I truly believe that this situation can be remedied my more civilized means. While difficult at best, Microsoft Mexico 2.0 (or, “Ventanas 2006”) may just be the best solution. There is no bloodshed, there is no longer an illegal immigration issue (or, at worst, a severely curtailed one), an honest and reliable trading partner, an opportunity for the current class of illegals to enjoy a life better in many ways than that which they could ever hope to aspire by coming to our country.

God Bless and God Speed and a Blessed and Happy Easter to all.

Sometimes, unfortunatey so, VIOLENCE is the only thing that will make anyone see sense, & sometimes, unfortunately so, even VIOLENCE is ineffective. We all hope this border security-illegal immigrant situation will not come to violence, because no one should want to harm another human being, and it is best to be on good relations with all your immediate neighbors, and it is also best that those living amonst us have little reason for animosity. However, any secure border I've ever seen, admittedly only depicted on entertainment media, has had at the least, barbwire fencing, and has been patrolled constantly by armed guards and watchdogs. We must have a wall, as I've stated above, it should take a dual form as highway & wall, so our neighbors will not think it is built solely to completely exclude them, but will be a transportation/distribution artery for the SW US, connecting at ports of entry to Mexican transportation/distribution arteries. But it should also be an effective deterrent to rampant immigration. If anyone cares to piece together my previous post on the Highway design, it is envisioned as a gauntlet which if traversed would require perserverance, physical fitness, & intelligence, not just a stroll through slightly rugged terrain. No solutions about the staus of illegals presently residing here can be formulated until we secure the border and stabilize the illegal population. DISCLAIMER- I did intend to denigrate anyones caliber.

I'll have to start proofreading these. DISCLAIMER- I did NOT intend to denegrate anyones caliber.

I agree with the senseless of violence. It solves nothing and only tends to aggravate the ones on the receiving end.

Having firsthand knowledge of a real life secure border, it is very effective but the scale and the magnitude of protecting a 2000-mile frontier is daunting at best. Berlin was manageable due to the limited border size but yet people still escaped. The situation you propose is the same in reverse.

The crux of the biscuit is to improve the conditions of the nation(s) closest to us so that they will not want to invade our country and economy. This will greatly extend our defensive border by the size of that country. A Machiavellian concept and a Domino Theory in reverse.

Just out of curiosity, ESQ, are you a national-border construction company owner? Your idea is a good one but there are other alternatives. None easy or going to make every one happy. There are: mass incarcerations and deportations, persecution at the borders, national security cards or implants, massed troops at the borders and at the slightest provocation invading that country to extend the buffer zone, granting amnesty to all and lets start all over. Which one is best? Are any workable? Then the cynic in me raises his dissonant voice and suggests that not only will nothing change but also it is all part of a plan.

Without trying to appear like a conspiracy theorist or tinfoil hat wearer, perhaps one need consider the following. There are a number of groups comprised of individuals from government and the private sector from many countries. TLC, CFR, Illuminati, the central banks worldwide, Carlyle Group, Bilderberg and more. Truly can you imagine a board of directors with Clinton, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Soros and the like? Well, there are a few boards, groups or committees on which these esteemed gentlemen sit, together.

Maybe it is the Kool-Aid but maybe this problem does not want to go away.

ESQ. That is what I thought you meant, vis-à-vis calibres. I was going to have to whip out my M-240B or M-60 if I thought otherwise!

Jak; May I call You Jak? Is an M60 truly larger than a .50 caliber? I have no dog in this hunt except to save my country for my posterity. A HIghway would be a gross Tax payout for me. I'm a humble computer tech from Atlanta Metro, who teaches Chess as a sideline. The most practical application of cement I have had is a bag of Quikrete. I say build it and they will come (but not as fast). Maybe we should design its concrete buttresses as a labyrinth, that once they enter, it will lead back to Mexico.

Hey boys!
You can brag about the size of your guns all you want, but even the mafia knows that the best weapon to have at home is a teenee weenee 22 revolver, aimed at the head. They don't leave anybody around to sue you, because the bullet stays in. Not good for criminals, as you can't find your bullets to clean up after!

Icey! Jak & I were not so much comparing size of our respective guns. Caliber in popular usage also refers to performance. Jak is of the opinion that one round from a .30 caliber would perform as effectively as an entire belt of .50 caliber ammo. Sorry, I can't get no satisfaction. The rapid reports of the .50 caliber belt feeding through the weapon, a crescendo building to a climax, then reloading for a repeat. Do you have a light? Was it as good for you as it was for me?

enemaofthestatusquo,
That was just my attempt at humor. Right after I wrote it, I found out that there is a sniper?? in AZ with a 22 and a shot-gun killing dogs and people. Not the typical m.o. of a serial killer, other than the from animals to people part. Yet they question gang involvement. It is in areas with plenty of gang activity. It was on America's Most Wanted. Some of the areas in question are places I would NEVER go. I used to be a realtor, which legal or not gives you the ability to profile an area well. It seems to me, like a gang initiation thing. Although 4 of the shootings were positively linked. Any thoughts?

I hope mine reply was received in the same spirit, I got an LOL from yours. Perhaps, the serial killer is actually a Terrorist Islamofascist, similar to the one in MD & VA 2-3 years ago, & is being mistakenly assumed to be Mexicano gang related. But, We The People, must agree with our government that there is no danger from leaving the US-Mexico border open for illegal alien traffic.

Ya'll know- if the math in Paradise is the same as here on Planet Earth, then the Suicidal-Homicidal Bomber Terrorists who have been predominantly male, & if they continue to be predominantly male, they may want to consider that the Reward of 73 virgins which awaits them in Paradise for their Martyrdom for the Jihad may not be female.

Wow enemaofthestausquo,
That is a good point! Islamofascist can enter AZ very easily through Mexico and can very easily be mistaken for Mexicans. They hate dogs and teach their children to kill dogs from birth. Their have been puppies rescued from soldiers after a group of school children was found stoning the mother and the litter to death. My cousin told me about seeing it. Only one puppy lived through it and the mother died. Dogs are treated like cockroaches there.

As far as you saying that the virgins that await them are possibly not female. They likely don't care. I have heard of MANY instances of them molesting boys, despite the fact that they consider homosexuality an abomination. They turn a blind eye and pretend it doesn't happen. Since this is the case, do they actually believe as they say they do to excuse their behavior or is the murderous behavior just part of their personality?

Dear God,
Forgive me! In my passage above, I broke a cardinal law. I used their in the wrong form. It was supposed to say there. Not to mention the last sentence was oxymoronic. It was basically ment to ask if religion is just used as a mask to commit murder, since they often break the laws of the religion in question.

Not neccesarily a part of their personality, but a integral part of the 'Religion Of Peace', a religion of hypocrites. A religion which must be spread by violent persuasion, if it is to have any appreciable numbers of adherents. A religion wherein, prayer is a 5X daily spectacle, contrary to the admonition of Christ to the elders, & scribes, to pray in secret, as a direct private communication to God, that Faith not deeds, whether good or evil (terrorists acts of murder & mayhem) reserves a place in Heaven.

Caliber of the People !!!

I have to smile ... this is GUN country.

Ice Princess is right about .22 ... surgeons hate it as bad as .223 because of the rickoshays.

I only joined in this 'MY GUN is BIGGER' thing because my brother has a handgun that can knock a rhino on its butt ... complete with tracking laser, night sight, etc ... all the whistles and bells. I think he's trying to integrate a satellite uplink gizmo for better triangulation on a moving target ... perfect for home defense :)

It is bizzare that Ann would side with Lou Dobbs on immigration? Or give credence to Tancredo? Sometimes there is more to the story, you have to study and realize as Ronald Reagan did, amnesty may be the right thing.

So now we have a problem. Not only immigration but the split on the right side between sensible folks (me, President Bush, McCain, Lindsey Graham, etc) and those who left common sense at the door on their way out.

One new name, Amnesty Republicans? We are the sober, rational part of this mess. Dealing with facts, calmly observing history and extending trust where necessary.

However, the “No you cant” crowd (as opposed to the Si Se Puede crowd) the ones who oppose immigration reform? Are simply afraid. They are in fear, in uncertainty, scared and whining as children get just before crying out for their mommy. But the No you cant crowd isnt doing this, they do the associated event of a temper tantrum. They are trying to carry out punishment on illegal immigrants because: 1. They have done some things wrong; 2. They are accused of doing other things wrong; and 3. Some things they didn’t ever do, but its easier to blame illegals, so lets do that.

This side of the conservative split, the scared side, the uncertain side, the whiney side? They are doing exactly what anti war protesters have been doing for years. No matter how much you explain the need for the Iraq war? The Moore-Sheehan mob of knee jerk liberalists have this pre defined fantasy of how reality might be, how the US is seen as not nice, as a bully? if the US doesn’t apologize to terrorists then its all hopeless, doom and gloom, we must stop the war, Bush lied, btw.

Where did Bush lie? Well, somewhere… name it! Well its not about the lies he told. What lies? Name one? And in a circle it goes. So now, the knee jerk whiney scared conservatives do exactly the same. On immigration. Deluded, fantasy land wacko arguments that refuse to hear common sense.

Oh, if we allow immigrants? The world will be so messed up, America will be destroyed, doom and gloom, in 5 years it will be so much more bad, all businesses will be closed down, Mexicans will own everything, why do you hate America? We must act now, because nobody else will! Why don’t they stop the invasion? (wiping tears from face) why did the Senators sell out republicans?

THEN? The emotional hyperbole: “its an invasion”, “they are criminals”, “social security fraud”. I like that one, JD Hayworth showed what a dolt he can be, which is sad, but let me understand, he is complaining because illegals pay IN to social security with fake cards. Paying IN to the system they didn’t expect to see a dime of? We need to punish that. "if any American did that we go to jail” oh geez, watch out for all the crooks lining up to PAY money IN to the system on fake SSNs.

Take any of the arguments, the scared whiney conservatives who say NO to immigration reform, NO to improved national security and NO to improved border security? What do they really want? Sadism, vigilanteism, revenge, violence. Out of pure stupidity, many SWC’s qualify the Geert Hofstede Analysis of cultural values in the US, “If you are someplace with a line or queue, go to the end and wait your turn.”
SWC’s have been told these dang illegals cut in line and now they done wants to take over, they was protesting, waving the Mexico flag, its an invasion!

SWC’s really prefer to wallow in a pool of self pity. To choose to be ignorant, isolationist, sour faced and prone to tantrums they do not care about national security as much as their own lust for barbarism and revenge. Minutemen speaker at Wash DC said couple weeks ago, all Mexican nationals are “immoral” and something to the effect of Mexicans are not able or don’t deserve the American dream. Interesting parallel between podium speeches of minutemen and the kkk rhetoric regarding how immoral and inferior Mexicans are.

There is no intelligent discussion by the SWC crowd, its emotional or simply ignorance to the extreme. Duhhh we all wants to see justice, thems illegals done broke the law, none of us never does no law breakin -- uh but Pa, you’s all just got out of jail last month! Who asked you Cletus?

Just read any of the SWC rhetoric. You find fear, uncertainty, what will happen if we allow amnesty? The sky will fall, this much we know for sure. Just to be safe? We must punish and bring harm to all immigrants, expecially if they are Mexican/Latino. If we can just have enough hate? Then everything will be perfect. Hey seems like that was the DNC plan for winning back elected office. Amazingly its now the SWC foundation.

Immigration policy reform will help identify those who are illegal and living in the shadows. It will increase national security, improve worker conditions, raise the standard wage, establish common sense immigrant worker policy and improve border security. We must pass the Senate bill in the House with NO changes. In a rare agreement, democrats and republicans passed the Senate bill, take heed, this is how MOST Americans believe it should be handled. We republicans may indeed lose seats in November, it will be because of the stupidity, the irrationality, the selfishness and the failure to lead by the SWCs, and those in the media leading SWC lemmings to hate ever more! Excelsior!

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